Michelle Hackman

The lawyer they consulted said, well, it would be really great if you had a million followers on TikTok because that would show you guys are like a real deal.

You're really viral.

Darshan can't just come here.

I mean, he needs approval from the U.S.

government.

And all the avenues that we think of, he doesn't really fit into a lot of the regular categories.

Which is for people with extraordinary ability, either sort of in the sciences or in the arts, people call it the Einstein visa.

Yeah, exactly.

Let me put it in perspective.

The O-1 visa is for Olympic athletes.

It's for people who win major scientific prizes, very decorated authors.

So that's kind of how selective we're talking.

Definitely.

That is the metric.

You have to prove that you're extraordinary.

And you have to actually find evidence that's quantifiable, that's objective, that you're extraordinary.

They have to find sort of these objective third-party metrics.

For example, you know, have you exhibited your artwork at this, you know, well-known fancy gallery?

Are you getting write-ups in places that you can't pay for, like the Wall Street Journal that are independent arbiters of how good you are?

I mean, one kind of funny case is that a lot of OnlyFans stars are using the O-1 process and arguing that they're extraordinary because of how much they're getting paid, how many fans they have on OnlyFans.