Michelle Wilson

So if I have a lean team and I have a lot of controls that they're having to manage, update, keep working, keep functioning, I find that either reducing or collapsing controls into something that's more uniform so that they can

work with one tool that maybe does multiple things rather than having lots of controls that maybe aren't doing something very successfully.

It's an efficiency thing that I'm talking about.

I would agree when you're defining it in that way, but only when you define it that way.

Yay!

All right.

Look at me go.

I concede.

No, I don't.

One of my favorite metaphors is talking about how the business likes to go fast.

The race car metaphor?

They want to use a Lamborghini.

I need to make sure the road is not full of potholes.

So we need to make sure that we've got our foundations set and effective so that that nice Lamborghini doesn't end up in a pothole and lose a tire in the first five minutes.

I don't actually use metaphors that often.

Yeah.

I just try and explain in English what it is we're trying to do.

Security awareness training is not going to be able to help us as much as we've always come to rely on it.

I don't say no.

I say yes and.