Mike Delaney

But then, and we'll talk further about it, but once you get those platforms running, those ERPs, and they start plugging in all of these places where I know you start to cringe with the vulnerabilities from IoT and Yeah. Monitoring devices. And I think that's where this push to modernize the food system, which is a necessity, is really, it's a two, it's got two sides to the sword.

But then, and we'll talk further about it, but once you get those platforms running, those ERPs, and they start plugging in all of these places where I know you start to cringe with the vulnerabilities from IoT and Yeah. Monitoring devices. And I think that's where this push to modernize the food system, which is a necessity, is really, it's a two, it's got two sides to the sword.

We have, you know, the necessity, the efficiencies and the cost drivers and everything else. Every time you do these

We have, you know, the necessity, the efficiencies and the cost drivers and everything else. Every time you do these

as you increase vulnerabilities in the cyber world and that's that's the world that i think we're going to be continuing to drive through but that'll be where i think food in itself continues to struggle is it's growing into the technology but yet it is not ready for the challenges that come with it and those bad actors that want to do naughty things so

as you increase vulnerabilities in the cyber world and that's that's the world that i think we're going to be continuing to drive through but that'll be where i think food in itself continues to struggle is it's growing into the technology but yet it is not ready for the challenges that come with it and those bad actors that want to do naughty things so

Well said. I think also too, there's been so many incidences that I can pick off the top of my head about, you know, the companies are gone digital. They've got all these digital processes. That's great. Things are running and then they get hacked and now they're screwed because they don't have a good proper business continuity plan. They don't have a good disaster recovery. It's a mess.

Well said. I think also too, there's been so many incidences that I can pick off the top of my head about, you know, the companies are gone digital. They've got all these digital processes. That's great. Things are running and then they get hacked and now they're screwed because they don't have a good proper business continuity plan. They don't have a good disaster recovery. It's a mess.

And then they have to move to analog. And we kind of experienced some of that when we were doing, as you mentioned, the ERP system upgrade, we were struggling with it. It had to go on paper. We had trucks waiting. It was a mess. I want to say, I want to go on record again, saying that my factory that I was at for that whole launch of disaster was the only one to get trucks out that day.

And then they have to move to analog. And we kind of experienced some of that when we were doing, as you mentioned, the ERP system upgrade, we were struggling with it. It had to go on paper. We had trucks waiting. It was a mess. I want to say, I want to go on record again, saying that my factory that I was at for that whole launch of disaster was the only one to get trucks out that day.

You're all welcome. Because we got it out on paper because we rolled back to analog processes. I still think there's a place for that as a disaster recovery moment. And I'm glad that we followed it that way. But a lot of places are finding they can't roll back that anymore. They can't go back to paper. Nobody knows how to do it because legacy knowledge was lost.

You're all welcome. Because we got it out on paper because we rolled back to analog processes. I still think there's a place for that as a disaster recovery moment. And I'm glad that we followed it that way. But a lot of places are finding they can't roll back that anymore. They can't go back to paper. Nobody knows how to do it because legacy knowledge was lost.

And this is why people in process, especially learning that and back in the bakery days was you do something, they're going to take it apart or they're going to circumvent it or they're going to do whatever they want. I remember I was standing in one of our factories in Buffalo. I will never forget. I was walking through the warehouse and it was it was full. It was towards the holiday season. And

And this is why people in process, especially learning that and back in the bakery days was you do something, they're going to take it apart or they're going to circumvent it or they're going to do whatever they want. I remember I was standing in one of our factories in Buffalo. I will never forget. I was walking through the warehouse and it was it was full. It was towards the holiday season. And

There was a scissor lift in the middle of one of the aisles and I kind of like poked my head around and I was like, what's going on? Maintenance manager was up there unhooking one of the access points to move it back 10 feet because nobody did a Wi-Fi heat map scan to find out that the Wi-Fi wouldn't go through bags of flour.

There was a scissor lift in the middle of one of the aisles and I kind of like poked my head around and I was like, what's going on? Maintenance manager was up there unhooking one of the access points to move it back 10 feet because nobody did a Wi-Fi heat map scan to find out that the Wi-Fi wouldn't go through bags of flour.

And I sat there and I was like, who would have ever thought the Wi-Fi wouldn't go through bags of flour? That seems absurd. Like, why are we having this conversation? But that's the kind of stuff that the food industry is dealing with on a daily basis. Yeah. They lose access. They can't work. They can't pick orders. They can't get the ingredients delivered to production. They can't keep moving.

And I sat there and I was like, who would have ever thought the Wi-Fi wouldn't go through bags of flour? That seems absurd. Like, why are we having this conversation? But that's the kind of stuff that the food industry is dealing with on a daily basis. Yeah. They lose access. They can't work. They can't pick orders. They can't get the ingredients delivered to production. They can't keep moving.

So, of course, naturally, they would circumvent any of my security controls and just go do whatever they wanted. Because we didn't have IT on some of these sites, and this is very common, we were discussing this before we started recording. There's not enough people or personnel to be that SME or be that person in that role on site at all times. And because of that, somebody...

So, of course, naturally, they would circumvent any of my security controls and just go do whatever they wanted. Because we didn't have IT on some of these sites, and this is very common, we were discussing this before we started recording. There's not enough people or personnel to be that SME or be that person in that role on site at all times. And because of that, somebody...