Mike Delaney
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219 appearances
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Nov 2024
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You know, you're rushing through, your kids are crying in the car, you're just trying to get home and make dinner. And you don't really think about where the frozen food, you know, not understanding there's a number of warehouses around there. Every major metropolitan area warehousing, you know, multiple days worth of food because it's almost just-in-time inventory at some level.
And those organizations have been breached. My former employer was breached more than once to the point where it took them offline for well over a month. They had to go analog as well. They had basically pushed all of their employees in the main office out to their homes because they could at least regulate access there. But they were merely warehousing and transportation.
They didn't produce, but they managed. they were right in the middle of whether or not you're going to get your food at the end.
Yeah. And it's just chaos. It causes chaos because disruption is actually, I think, sometimes worse than the financial ransomware. Just the straight up, give me your money or I won't give you your stuff back.
Well, statistically, at least in recent year, the ransomware attacks are probably like 70% of what people are seeing. And I think that that quick buck kind of, you know, those bad actors, they're criminals. And before we started recording, you and I were talking about, you know, one of my bigger fears now isn't so much the bad guys.
There are always going to be a state of play that we're going to have to worry about. There'll probably be a point where we can even ensure for it better than kind of we are doing now. There are solutions or at least ways to mitigate. Where I'm getting more concerned is when food security becomes part of a Cold War effort or a World War. Yeah.
You have, you know, a bad actor state, let's pick on Russia, because we know they're quite active, you know, politically, right? I mean, if you want to go, you know, read blogs, nine out of ten of the responses are a Russian bot.
If they took advantage of the vulnerabilities of our food supply chain to not even do anything, you know, super nefarious, like, you know, poison or whatever, just mess it up. And then start a information campaign to... I really think that that is where we're going to see a lot because the Internet, unfortunately, people think a lot of it's true. Right on the Internet must be true.
So I'm really worried that that might be an area where we start to see. And we're not all on board with that viewpoint yet. And we still have a lot of friction in the business community about it.
Another example of an attempt to approach this and regulate it, and I think it was 23, the EPA or 22 had come out and put some mandates on, or at least some effort to prescript an approach to dealing with water security. And then the Eighth Circuit basically put a hold on it. And they said, no, we think you're overstepping.
And then the EPA is just like, you know, grabbing his head going, what are you talking about? This is happening now. And that's what I said, like the law is going to always lack. Where it's going to be dealt with is in the trenches. It's when you're called in because there's a breach or you're called in, like how do we handle the legal side or the risk side of it?
But the date is going to be much slower.
Yeah, the water situation is quite frustrating. I have some professional friends in the water sector, and they're just shaking their heads at this point. However, I do think that there'll be cybersecurity regulations in water within the next, I don't know, two to four years, depending on what happens with our political situation.
But if water goes, then the food industry and agriculture will go next, in theory. So I'm here for it. Let's bring it on. But I want it to be proper and well peer reviewed and well constructed. I don't want to just have a simulated exercise every three years. That's not good enough. That is certainly not good enough.
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Also, if you were planning on attending S4 in Tampa, it's the day before. Check out the website, and hopefully I'll see you there. I'm really glad you hit on the disinformation, misinformation kind of conversation, because this is something that is an active part of cyber warfare. I do have a tip for everybody.
I do know one of the co-founders of Disarm, which is a framework that helps deal with this. And it's great. If you get a chance to look at it, I'll put in the show notes.
But one of the things that was said recently to me about this was, if something you read on the internet causes you to have an emotional reaction, you need to distrust it immediately, whether it's positive or negative, because that means that it's more than likely you are being influenced in some regard. Mm-hmm. And we need to stop that.
But we have to start looking at things differently because we're in a different world now. We can't just go down to our neighbor and get a recipe for brownies. We just go on the Internet. Right. But should we trust that particular recipe? Maybe they put too many eggs in it. Then you have more of a cake like that's not going to work. Or maybe it does. Maybe that's what you want.
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