Mike Holcomb

Of course, they were talking about like the John Deere tractor incidents, right, with, you know, Ukraine and Russia and Russia. And a few other kind of stories that came out of that. But so I think it was a good way to start thinking of, you know, at that point. And I think you had the episode, like one of your first ones up around cybersecurity in the wine industry.

Of course, they were talking about like the John Deere tractor incidents, right, with, you know, Ukraine and Russia and Russia. And a few other kind of stories that came out of that. But so I think it was a good way to start thinking of, you know, at that point. And I think you had the episode, like one of your first ones up around cybersecurity in the wine industry.

And so that's really interesting. Any of those, for me, it's kind of like you're going back, you're on your date and you're looking for how many OT devices can we find or IoT devices. And I think in some respects for me, it's more like, oh, yeah, I didn't think about all of these places where technology is available.

And so that's really interesting. Any of those, for me, it's kind of like you're going back, you're on your date and you're looking for how many OT devices can we find or IoT devices. And I think in some respects for me, it's more like, oh, yeah, I didn't think about all of these places where technology is available.

like in these different environments, you know, because you know what, I, I, you know, I haven't been on a farm in 20 plus years since, you know, I went to my uncle's back in Illinois, you know, and, and, um, you know, he probably had state-of-the-art tech back then, right. He actually was always up on those types of things, but that, that,

like in these different environments, you know, because you know what, I, I, you know, I haven't been on a farm in 20 plus years since, you know, I went to my uncle's back in Illinois, you know, and, and, um, you know, he probably had state-of-the-art tech back then, right. He actually was always up on those types of things, but that, that,

was 20 plus years ago you know so very very different did have John Deere tractors big ones too but you know I digress but I think you know it's a big part of you know I think for me it's just like Any environment, I guess, until I go into it or get more exposure. Right. And I guess that goes back to awareness and education.

was 20 plus years ago you know so very very different did have John Deere tractors big ones too but you know I digress but I think you know it's a big part of you know I think for me it's just like Any environment, I guess, until I go into it or get more exposure. Right. And I guess that goes back to awareness and education.

It's you just like anybody, you know, just don't think about where that technology is and the impact. And then, of course. the cybersecurity brain starts kicking in and then it's like, oh, I'm looking at this from an attacker perspective to see what would be possible from an attack perspective. And then then, of course, start thinking about it from the defender perspective.

It's you just like anybody, you know, just don't think about where that technology is and the impact. And then, of course. the cybersecurity brain starts kicking in and then it's like, oh, I'm looking at this from an attacker perspective to see what would be possible from an attack perspective. And then then, of course, start thinking about it from the defender perspective.

So how can we defend against those those types of attacks? So it's it's always very fascinating. So it's and it is, I guess, interesting in a way that like food and agriculture does kind of fly under the radar because we always, you know, think of like, OK, energy. Right. And we have NERC, you know, and all these requirements and at least in the U.S. and North America.

So how can we defend against those those types of attacks? So it's it's always very fascinating. So it's and it is, I guess, interesting in a way that like food and agriculture does kind of fly under the radar because we always, you know, think of like, OK, energy. Right. And we have NERC, you know, and all these requirements and at least in the U.S. and North America.

But we can think of, OK, water and wastewater is now getting a little visibility there. But food and agriculture still is definitely one of those redheaded stepchildren that nobody wants to talk about. It just seems like it's at the bottom of the barrel for people to get to. And admittedly, so I was one of those people as well. And now it's like,

But we can think of, OK, water and wastewater is now getting a little visibility there. But food and agriculture still is definitely one of those redheaded stepchildren that nobody wants to talk about. It just seems like it's at the bottom of the barrel for people to get to. And admittedly, so I was one of those people as well. And now it's like,

I remember there was an S4 presentation last year that Kate Vaja slash Kate Johnson had done with a gentleman and either talking about the security of trucking and how, right, if you want food on your table, it's got to get to the store first, right? And if the trucks aren't able to function and drive the food to the store, it... you're not eating. Um, so it's very much the same thing.

I remember there was an S4 presentation last year that Kate Vaja slash Kate Johnson had done with a gentleman and either talking about the security of trucking and how, right, if you want food on your table, it's got to get to the store first, right? And if the trucks aren't able to function and drive the food to the store, it... you're not eating. Um, so it's very much the same thing.

It's like, you know what? I'm, I think like a lot of stuff in, in control systems, it's just until you think about it, right. Then it's just, you know, it's just not on your radar. So I think, you know, especially, you know, having the conversations with you. And I think it's, you know, amazing that

It's like, you know what? I'm, I think like a lot of stuff in, in control systems, it's just until you think about it, right. Then it's just, you know, it's just not on your radar. So I think, you know, especially, you know, having the conversations with you. And I think it's, you know, amazing that

You're out there doing the call to arms for food and agriculture because there's, you know, I can count on maybe two or three fingers the number of people that actually are trying to do that. Right. And you are, I think, the most visible and the most vocal that's that's out there leading that charge.

You're out there doing the call to arms for food and agriculture because there's, you know, I can count on maybe two or three fingers the number of people that actually are trying to do that. Right. And you are, I think, the most visible and the most vocal that's that's out there leading that charge.