Mike Lane

Yeah, yeah.

And they still do – you can still send messages on that.

It's mainly that because he's also got, like, a bit of a tremor in his hand there, so that's another thing.

They've got nothing.

The only thing is one of my sisters has just moved back in with them.

So that's one thing.

But she's not there during the day.

So that's the only issue with him.

But he's frustrated at the point.

He says, I don't want a phone.

But the fact is he's on his own at times.

And if something happens and he still drives slightly.

So he needs a phone regardless.

Yeah, okay.

Mate, thanks so much for your help and your advice.

I appreciate it, Trevor.

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