Mitch Joel

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Thinking With Mitch Joel · The Value Of Uncertainty With Simone Stolzoff - TWMJ #1037 · 24 May 2026 podcast

I think the divorce rates are going to really significantly drop. At the time, we were somewhere around 50%. My logic was most people meet and got married to somebody within a five-mile radius of where they live. And suddenly now, if the catalog, if the supply side is that much more of a delta, you're more inclined to meet someone like you or someone... Now... voice-verified

I don't think that worked. I think divorce rates are still where they are. Or I actually think culturally we moved to a place where people don't even want to bother getting divorced because they can swipe left and hook up, I guess. I'm not sure. But it's an interesting thing to think about how sometimes when you think that geography will play in your favor, it actually creates another level of either uncertainty or constraint. voice-verified

I mean, that seems like the direct transfer to what you're talking about as a way to think about it. It's almost like the Carol Dweck growth mindset type of thing. That's really what we're essentially talking about is we have to expand beyond this idea of having a fixed mindset. I mean, ultimately, it is the net of even overcoming your uncertainty. It's like growth. It's super interesting how we hesitate on that, isn't it? voice-verified

I recently came into the book, Strength to Strength by Albert Brooks. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the book or not. And it really landed hard for me where I am age wise. I'm probably a lot older than you are. Part one is because in the intro of the book, you realize that a lot of the things that you presume voice-verified

are gonna work in your favor don't as you get older. Cognitively, physically, even perception within work. There's a kind of thing of you go through your career and then you become the CEO and then you, and it's like, it doesn't work like that. Like it's just not statistically where it is. And of course the book is about how do you somehow find meaning in the second mountain or the second part of life? voice-verified

And as I'm listening to you speak, I don't know why, it's just, it's clicking in my brain, that story of like, sounds good, but if you are in your mid-50s and mid-60s, not only do I think it's intuitive that you become more risk adverse as we get older, we get more worried, hip replacements, these things like that physically, but you also are able to acknowledge that you are getting close to a point where they will not quote unquote really want you at work type of thing. voice-verified

Yeah, it's a beautiful sentiment. And I think that I just know many people currently where they have that, and yet... voice-verified

The market looks at you sideways and goes, I don't know if I'm going to invest in this because, you know, there's more road behind than there is ahead, prospectively in terms of the work. The other thing I was thinking about is why is, we kind of touch on why tolerance is wilting in the sense of the policy crisis and that. But on the other side of it, as we were just talking about, again, we have information, we have conversations about, voice-verified

Not a day goes by I don't have something in my YouTube or podcasting feed from Chris Williamson or Tim Ferriss or somebody talking about our ability to overcome or productivity, hacks, ideas, concepts. I'm curious still about what you hear in that. Is it just really just who we are as people? Because you would think that while the poly crisis and things like that create the sentiment, on the other hand, there's a lot of antidote to that. voice-verified

more than the podcast. LinkedIn is where I am posting articles and insights, business strategy, chatting with people, hanging out, and a lot more in relation to what's happening in our culture today. It's become my main hub for my writing. It's where I share. It's where I go deep on the ideas that I think are shaping the future of work and leadership. So just connect with me, Mitch Joel on LinkedIn to follow along. voice-verified

And it does feel like we're more resilient too. I mean, even when I think about wars and stuff, you see, like, it boggles my mind that we're living through this place where a place like Ukraine, let's say, is being bombed and they just go to work every day and go to the cafe. And like, you know, we would have thought, like when we imagine war, it's like everything's boarded up and people are running away and there's no one left in these towns. And it's like, they're just going about their work. Totally. Yeah. I do think the human spirit at its most base level is very resilient. Yeah. voice-verified

Yeah. And it doesn't get attention. Yeah. Right. So there's another part of it, too, where if you don't go to an extreme, I don't believe the vast majority of choose a population believe left as extreme as they were being positioned or right as much as we are. I think most people are probably somewhere in the center and logical in terms of conversation. Yeah. voice-verified

But that's the other part of it that I think is interesting too, that often the voices that are there don't get the attention. Like there's a cultural thing too that inhibits it. It's more than biological, I'd argue. voice-verified

the humility to understand what is yet to be determined. So you make the argument that I would agree with, obviously, that our brains are prediction machines. If we think about our lives, we would think, okay, well, I lost a job, I got a job. I mean, for the vast majority of us, I think it does move in some type of positive trajectory, I would hope. voice-verified

So this is like another interesting aspect of it. It's like our brains are prediction machines, so we're always guessing, but we're predicting usually based off of some type of historical data or information. voice-verified

We tend to lean to the negative then is what we're saying. Like you won't look at it and go, look, the course of my years, like I've genuinely found something. I've been able to manage this, pull it together. The world's changing, poly crisis. But if I were going to be, if I were a betting man. Yeah. But we don't. Like this is what also is crazy. If our brains are these prediction machines, we don't tend to listen to the information that would help us make, quote unquote, to a certain degree, better predictions. Right. voice-verified

We think we know or we think we know things or we are assured. You make this really interesting thought that we're actually closing our minds when we do that. Mm-hmm. voice-verified

Can you talk a little bit about that? Because we do, we live in a world where people go, oh, like it's supposed to be, like the scientists said it's this. And I'm like, what? Like, no, scientists spend their days in labs, probably most of the time leaving with non-viable results. And that it's constantly evolving based off of... voice-verified

So there is this kind of desire that we have where it's like, oh, like now we know something and you're saying like, that's dangerous because we close our minds. And also I'd say that it, that can elevate the uncertainty for a lot of people, this idea that, well, then if I never know, how will I know type of thing? voice-verified

You have your values in the book that I think are really profound. One of them is this motion of rigidity into acceptance. And based off of that, can we bring this together with some strategies you give to people to think about what that looks like? voice-verified

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