Molly Graham

You know, and to your point about meaning and value, what matters to me?

But a lot of it was like proving myself to like all the people around me that I was good.

And and, you know, that did come in the form of these externalities.

And then I think I like so many of my friends hit a moment where I had the title or I had the job that I kind of like thought I wanted.

And I was like, oh, no.

Like I have this friend that tells the story.

I actually told it in the TED talk where she's like climbing this ladder and literally gets to be CEO and then goes, is this all there is?

You know, like I'm I don't like this.

And it's like, well, then what?

You know, and I think there's just these moments when you get out of that sort of I'm proving myself phase and you have to really ask, like, OK, what is my definition of success?

Yeah, totally.

So this is something I experienced really intimately when I was I spent five years at Facebook and I spent the first two years in HR and recruiting, helping sort of.

You know, and to your point about meaning and value, what matters to me?

figure out who we were and how we wanted to talk about why you should come work at the company and what kinds of people belonged.

And then I think I did well in that.

And so somebody came to me and said, do you want to come help me build a mobile phone?

And I was like, first of all, why are we doing that?

That sounds like a terrible idea.

But then second of all, I was like, why are you asking me?

Like, I'm highly, highly unqualified for this.