Nat Towsen

Do you think that perhaps reframing the focus on affordability rather than free or kickbacks or things like that is a way that we can move forward?

Because I think a lot of Americans very obviously are feeling crunched right now.

Yeah, please don't misunderstand me.

So you're saying we should tax the wealthy so that we can afford to have universal health care?

Yeah, I mean, I think so often that's sort of why I was talking about the strategy of like sticker shock prevention of, oh, you don't want to pay your taxes.

Of course, that money goes to all the services you use.

We all understand this.

But

I do think you're right in diagnosing that so many Americans are so squeezed that any amount of affordability or any amount of kickback, not kickbacks, but you don't say any any amount of discount refund can override your ideology.

Because, you know, as as it gets harder and harder to have, as you were describing a middle class existence, you're going to grab at that.

What about our CEO delegation that we're sending over there?

You don't trust them?

So what about our CEO delegation that we're sending to China?

You don't think, say, Elon Musk is going to negotiate a good deal for us?

Lights that are on timers at every stairwell, things like that.

We're not trying to sow gloom.

We're trying to build a path out of a gloomy era.

Yeah, exactly.

Thank you so much for taking the time to not only come on the show, but hearing us out about that.

And I do hope that you can come back and we can continue the conversation because I think we have very similar ideas about the future of our country surviving and the Democratic Party and the left.