Natalie Joy

And, like, yeah, we're getting emotional and a little heated here, but at the end of the day, like, I thought you were an amazing guy.

guy man whatever on the show I still think you are I just think our communication fell apart I don't really know what happened but my only thing that I would say is that like you gotta learn how to communicate better I don't know I mean I'm not saying I'm perfect but I really care about you I always have over this last nine months so you know I'm not here to like trash you I'm not here to like dig up

bad stuff.

But I think that you are very closed off right now.

And I think when we were on the show and we were together, you were very open.

You're very comfortable.

And that's why we flowed so well.

And I don't I don't know.

That's that's just my take.

No, I agree.

All right.

Well, I appreciate that.

I just think that we didn't have the communication skills that we needed.

And I think the distance definitely had a huge part in it because, you know, when you live across the country from each other, you can't just be like, let's go grab coffee and go for a walk and like talk through this or whatever.

Like it's telephone.

And as he said, he doesn't like to text.

So if you don't have those basic communication skills, like what do you have?

Did that attachment style carry on throughout after filming?

Did you talk about those things in person in New York, or did they kind of just be brushed under the rug?

You felt that... No, I asked you if you wanted to.