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Well, I haven't seen it yet, but I have to say this was not at all the reaction from within the tech industry.

People loved it.

They were they said it was based, you know, they said it was like more authentic than anything else they've seen.

I mean, I think that it's I think what Taylor's saying is about everything.

Well, no, there's been some there.

They have they have come up with a new there is a whole ecosystem now.

Right.

I know, Kyle, you said it's not

the showification doesn't count one-offs, but every launch video, every funding announcement, every product update is its own.

I mean, I saw this recent launch video.

I reached out to the kid who had done it because it looked like a little Wes Anderson film.

And I couldn't even tell what the product was going to be at the end.

So like Taylor says, I agree.

Like they discovered it late.

They have a lot of money.