Nate Silver

And then Obama wins.

You're like, oh, this is like kind of the...

culmination, right?

We elected, we finally elected a black guy and now, I'm not saying I thought this, I'm saying like, but like now America, we fixed the problems.

Problem solved.

And then Trump comes down the escalator at Trump Tower, right?

And people like me were dismissive of it.

And so, yeah, I guess, you know, Francis Fukuyama, the Stanford historian, political scientist associated with the phrase, like, the end of history.

And now everything...

Causes anxiety for everybody.

And incumbents all around the world are unpopular.

And you wouldn't say we're trending towards stability, certainly.

When does this become a game?

Yeah, it seems like too much work.

It's not a game.

It means that—so one thing we observed around the world is that it's like no longer really an advantage to be an incumbent.

You get one term and then you're out.

So to me, the 2024 election felt quite different than the 2020 election.

Obviously, 2020 is during a pandemic.

There's lots of crazy things happening right there, right?