Nathan Johns

That was what their focus was.

They still obviously defend like that, but

I wonder why it is that people have gone away from focusing on that to define them.

Is it because they're trying to be more all-around, more all-court?

The attack has maybe improved slightly?

I don't know.

Or is it a case of they've just dropped off and gotten away?

I guess maybe part of the answer comes on Saturday, whether we can't define them because they've gone away from that defensive heavy focus or because other things have also...

gone up and we just, it's not as prominent, if that makes sense.

Interesting.

OK, so when you say you find it hard to define this Leinster side or what they're about, you're not saying that's necessarily a bad thing.

Interesting.

And I guess, again, if you were to continue to pull it at that thread, that South African style, that scramble desperation, they won the last World Cup.

I think every knockout game was won by one point.

I mean, they were flying by the seat of their pants there as well, which has been, that's been the criticism level at Leinster this year is that

They haven't gone through these knockouts with particular comfort.

You know, it was tricky against Edinburgh and Sale.

And like you said, if Joe McCarthy didn't make that scramble, that offload goes to hand and Toulon would probably win that game.

But I guess it depends on your perspective.

Is that just a sign of a winning team or is that a sign of an average team getting by?