Navied Mahdavian

And I think that

moving you have there's like that inner ring and then the outer rings are the things that are constantly changing and sometimes you're not able to find that stabilizing force so like when I moved to rural Idaho I tried finding like that expanding circles those outer circles they never really felt stabilizing and so then there was the decision then to move and so now I'm living in a new place and hopefully you know find find that yeah

I mean, what about

For you, what is it like?

Because you've developed physical products.

I really want to talk about the barf system, but what is it like for you as you are developing these?

Is there the moving on, excising?

Do they keep the acronym BARF?

In the different languages?

As you were talking about the development of the scale, as a cartoonist, I was getting excited.

And that was the thing that I was most excited to talk to you about because I was like, oh, what an interesting overlap.

Something I talk about in my TED Talk is the power of cartoons and why every artist will say their medium is the highest art form, but they're wrong because cartooning is the highest art form because you can say so much with so little.

And with just like a few lines, you can express happiness and smugness and sadness.

And so as you were talking about the developing, like finding what the neutral is to the barfing, but then all those in the middle, like I didn't know, like you said that there was the, somebody had developed the different faces and yeah, which I mean, as a cartoonist, I would have loved to have known.

Because every time I am drawing something, I mean, I find that I'm recreating the cartoon on my face.

Like, I'm trying, I'm expressing it on my face.

Exactly.

Contouring my face as I'm drawing it.

And there's constant, like, the erasing until I get that expression right.

And so I'm constantly recreating that in it.