Neil Druckmann

Dude, I live for the interruptions.

Dude, I live for the interruptions.

What else did you consider?

What else did you consider?

By the way, the answer is usually, here's why it didn't work for us. Now let's interrogate it. Maybe it could work in this version, in this medium. Right. That's where we kind of just unearth things that, again, maybe we can make it work, but now we have a second chance at doing it.

By the way, the answer is usually, here's why it didn't work for us. Now let's interrogate it. Maybe it could work in this version, in this medium. Right. That's where we kind of just unearth things that, again, maybe we can make it work, but now we have a second chance at doing it.

I'm not sure that we ever have gotten that far down like that. Well, once we've gone pretty far, like let's say editing, we might say, hey, I have an idea of what could make it better. Right. I think so then it's more like kind of tweaking. And there's actually something in this episode that we had a lot of conversation about, which is the song Ellie plays.

I'm not sure that we ever have gotten that far down like that. Well, once we've gone pretty far, like let's say editing, we might say, hey, I have an idea of what could make it better. Right. I think so then it's more like kind of tweaking. And there's actually something in this episode that we had a lot of conversation about, which is the song Ellie plays.

And that was something that, you know, we changed pretty late in editing based on multiple conversations Craig and I had.

And that was something that, you know, we changed pretty late in editing based on multiple conversations Craig and I had.

Yeah. Absolutely. That's the reason why we're here. There was a moment in time where I wanted to do web comics because that was a thing. My website was sickhabit.com because I just had this like, I felt like this compulsion to create was just a sickness that I just can't get rid of. I think every artist kind of feels that way. Anyways, years later, we needed a name for a band in the game.

Yeah. Absolutely. That's the reason why we're here. There was a moment in time where I wanted to do web comics because that was a thing. My website was sickhabit.com because I just had this like, I felt like this compulsion to create was just a sickness that I just can't get rid of. I think every artist kind of feels that way. Anyways, years later, we needed a name for a band in the game.

I'm like, oh, I got something. Sick Habit. So now it made it into an HBO show. It's canon.

I'm like, oh, I got something. Sick Habit. So now it made it into an HBO show. It's canon.

It speaks to this process, which is like you always have to be open to a new, better idea. Always. Until it's taken away from you, you have to keep being open. Can I iterate it? Can I plus it? And that's what we do just over and over again until it's done, is we just keep plussing it and plussing it and plussing it.

It speaks to this process, which is like you always have to be open to a new, better idea. Always. Until it's taken away from you, you have to keep being open. Can I iterate it? Can I plus it? And that's what we do just over and over again until it's done, is we just keep plussing it and plussing it and plussing it.

I will say it's another one of those instances that was scary how close it was to the game, walking onto that set.

I will say it's another one of those instances that was scary how close it was to the game, walking onto that set.

Even looking at the carpet and it would match the game.

Even looking at the carpet and it would match the game.