Nicholas Confessore

It's great to be here, Rachel.

So the Epstein files has turned every person who wants to be in the entire planet into a prosecutor with subpoena power.

We are looking into the investigations files of the federal government for this high-profile sex predator and all of his friends and all of his associates.

And what we've seen is that as reporters and ordinary people are digging through these files, they are finding information about his friendships with other prominent, powerful, and wealthy people.

And they are beginning to face consequences for their friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, who was long dead.

And Kathy Rumler had always maintained that she had a strictly professional relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

She was a lawyer.

And as we all know, lawyers sometimes represent unpopular or loathsome clients.

Of course.

But what these emails show was that she was more than a lawyer.

She was a friend.

She was an intimate.

She was a confidant.

She discussed her dating life with him.

He gave her gifts.

She called him Uncle Jeffrey.

She signed emails XO.

And she even gave him advice on how to handle questions about his sex crimes from the past.

I think what's fascinating about this whole series of events with all these former Epstein friends is that we can never quite see inside these institutions to find out what was the breaking point.

Right.