Nick Bryant

I believe it was made with Spence.

And I believe that it was made with Jeffrey Epstein, too.

And where do you think these deals come from?

Is this high brass in intelligence, U.S.

government?

There's some dark, malignant corner of our intelligence that blackmails people.

I mean, that's just how they that's political blackmail is as old as politics itself.

Right.

Alexander Hamilton, who there's been a number of he's written about, like the founding fathers that give them saint like status.

But Alexander Hamilton was having an affair with a 23 year old girl who was a woman who was married and her husband was blackmailing him.

And there was a muckraking journalist who...

outed Alexander Hamilton and Jefferson had become president.

And Jefferson and Hamilton had tremendous antipathy towards each other.

So the muckraking journalist felt that Jefferson would give him an appointment in his administration.

And when Jefferson didn't do that, the muckraking journalist outed him for having sex with one of his slaves, Sally Hemings.

And actually, DNA has shown that, that they had progeny and that...

when we get into political blackmail, it's something that's age old.

It's not something that's just new.

Yeah.

I mean, if you're like Peter Thiel and you're completely in the closet and Glocker out you and.