Nicole Perlroth

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463 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 14 Sep

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On with Kara Swisher · The Cyberattack We’re Not Ready For · 16 Jul 2026 podcast

They were tasked by the Biden administration to go to China and propose that we set up red lines just around hacking water treatment facilities, water systems, civilian water systems.

And their counterparts in China said no.

So I don't know if it has changed now that we are slightly ahead of

But for how long are we ahead?

I think that the decision to release DeepSeek as an open weight model was intentional.

They really want to be the backbone of AI and AI infrastructure.

And there's a really interesting report that came out last week that the New York Times covered from a startup called Aletheia, where they looked at some of the disinformation campaigns coming out of Russia and China right now.

And they are latching on to data centers as an American culture war.

I think in part in China's case, China wants to basically play up some of the fights around nimbyism and environmental concerns and all of the legitimate concerns we have around data centers in terms of water use, energy use, contamination.

They want to use that as a wedge issue so that we don't have the data center infrastructure in the United States that they own.

All I'm saying is I wish we were living in a different world where we could actually sit down with them and have these conversations.

And I think hopefully we will once the attacks start coming.

But right now I am sort of the ye of little faith on this issue.

Love Dimitri.

You know, the naming and shaming, I thought, had a big effect.

And in some ways, it did.

We actually saw China go quiet.

The Obama administration reached an unprecedented deal with China for a while that we would cease, well, really, they would cease hacking for intellectual property and trade secrets.

And we saw those drop off for about a period of 18 months.

But that was during the Obama administration.

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