Nicole Wallace

Everything ICE is doing is being done in your name, Eddie, in your name, Tom, in my name.

It is our business because it's being done in our name.

Mitch.

So I agree that the elites are doing what the elites are doing.

I just wonder if part of the error is in the fact that any of our gaze is ever on them, that we ever expected anything from them.

The Wall Street Journal has reported that rich people are building moats.

It is 2026 and they are building moats again.

That is Trumpism.

I think that's right, but Eddie, I can't... Someone asked me last week, how are you doing?

I said, you know, I'm tired of being so pissed and so sad.

I'm exhausted by my own anger and sadness at what's happening.

Because while it is true that if I avert my gaze from the people to whom the country has given the most...

and stare at the coach.

I mean, I agree that we can be inspired by the courage of ordinary Americans, but I refuse to stop being angry at the elites who in this moment of choosing are not choosing to protect our democracy, Eddie.

Yeah, I mean, look, I also think there's, you know, like the house is burning.

So how much of this do we just go with the hoses that are full of water, right?

And I think it's probably time, as we are a few months out from the midterms, to try to figure out who...

who is going to be part of the volunteer firefighter with our democracy on fire, and who's going to either look the other way or throw another match on it.

And I wonder what, if any, lessons we think Trump has taken about how far to go.

Tom Nichols.