Nicolle Wallace

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What is the counter to all that?

Like, what is the moonshot of making the truth as sticky as the propaganda and the lies?

What's Candace's deal?

She's to the wacky of Megan?

Is it right-left still or not really?

I think there's a toughness too that the audience is craving.

And there are creators who are so authentic and so sort of attached to the truth and the truth of our history that have so much resonance that I don't think it's that the truth can't sell.

I think it's that it's all the sort of fluffing that maybe has become

a trust barrier.

I mean, I think years of thinking you had to put the other side of the story in is what just, and I think coming out of politics, I stopped taking Sarah Huckabee Sanders before anyone else.

And I said, when she goes to the podium and does something that I recognize, I'll cover it.

Same with live comments from Trump.

If he makes news, we'll roll on it and we'll play it back to you.

But I think that some of what the mainstream media did to put distance between itself and the audience was both sides-ism.

Which you can't, I mean, it's like dating.

And I feel like all the dating movies of the 90s, like this has been settled in dating, but not in the media.

You don't pursue someone who isn't going to show up.