Nicolle Wallace

It's always a problem.

It's dysmorphia.

When it's men, it's body hacking.

And I'm like, it's more narcissistic.

It's so not hot.

That's a good way to put it.

Because I'm always looking for a man.

One of the things that was interesting to me was that they were obsessed with it because they thought it could be digitized in some way.

And a lot of it can be, by the way.

And so I was like, oh, this is so exhausting.

And my inspiration had been Steve Jobs, who had actually given one of the greatest speeches, which was about death.

He gave a speech at Stanford.

He had been sick.

Then he got better.

And then he got sick again.

But in the period he was better, he gave this astonishing speech about mortality being the single greatest gift to innovation because it made you understand mortality.

And I thought that was a beautiful message actually and a really interesting because death always prompted him to leave things and take risks and everything else.

To me, a very clean and healthy way to think about it.

And then all the dudes were trying to do some things to their body, to hack themselves, to do a version of a facelift that was kind of

grotesque in some way.