Nilay Patel

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36,692 appearances 132 recordings 4 series first heard Aug 2024 last heard yesterday

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Decoder with Nilay Patel · Can John Ternus find Apple's next big thing? · 21 Sep 2026 podcast

And I I know that that's what he's thinking because when he made his very romantic launch video with Sam Altman, he described the phone and the laptop as legacy devices, which I thought was a very powerful thing for him to say. voice-verified

Given that he designed the paradigmatic examples of those things. voice-verified

But so I see it two ways. voice-verified

One, Apple has to get ahead of the curve somehow, right? voice-verified

If and if they don't have the frontier AI model, they can literally listen to anything you say and do anything you want, then what are they what are they gonna make this device out of? voice-verified

And then on the other side you have OpenAI, and if they don't have an Instagram app, everyone will still carry their iPhone with them. voice-verified

And then they will just use their iPhone because it has a big screen. voice-verified

And potentially unfolds into an even bigger screen. voice-verified

And so they're kind of pointed at each other, each missing the thing the other one has. voice-verified

How do you think that gets resolved? voice-verified

It's very notable to me that none of the filings in the case so far have any mention of Johnny Ive. voice-verified

Neither company wants to point out that Steve Jobs number two is at the center of all this because he's leading the design of this this product. voice-verified

You think that's notable? voice-verified

Touching. voice-verified

And what have you. voice-verified

You know, it's really interesting about that, and this is a whole different podcast, is all of Ives best products are designed around limitations, right? voice-verified

The iMac was designed around the limitation of the CRT display and and and so on and so forth. voice-verified

And AI doesn't have any limitations because it always just tells you it can do everything. voice-verified

And I'm just dying to know what he identifies as the limitation that makes the magic of the next IV product. voice-verified

Like I said, that's a whole different podcast, but it's it's just on my mind. voice-verified

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