Noam Brown
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first heard Dec 2022
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So the meta problem is, in some sense, how do you understand the Nash equilibrium that the other players are going to play?
And even if you do that, again, there's no guarantee that you're going to win.
So if you're playing risk, like I said, and all the other players decide to team up against you, you're going to lose.
Nash equilibrium doesn't help you there.
And so there was this big debate about whether Nash equilibrium and all these techniques that compute it are even useful once you go outside of two-player zero-sum games.
Now, I think for many games, there is a valid criticism here.
And I think when we go to something like diplomacy, we run into this issue that the approach of trying to approximate a Nash equilibrium doesn't really work anymore.
But it turns out that in six-player poker, because six-player poker is such an adversarial game where none of the players really try to work with each other,
The techniques that were used in two-player poker to try to approximate an equilibrium, those still end up working in practice in six-player poker as well.
Right.
Yeah.
Poker is just such an adversarial game.
There's no real cooperation.
In fact, you're not even allowed to cooperate in poker.
It's considered collusion.
It's against the rules.
And so for that reason, the techniques end up working really well.
And I think that's true more broadly in extremely adversarial games in general.
That's right.
Nobody has a proof that that's the case.
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