Noam Brown
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first heard Dec 2022
last heard Dec 2022
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This is an aspect of two-player zero-sum versus games that involve cooperation.
So in a two-player zero-sum game, you can do self-play from scratch and you will arrive at the Nash equilibrium where you don't have to worry about the other player playing in a very human suboptimal style.
The only way that deviating from a Nash equilibrium would change things is if it helped you.
You always want to maximize your friends and minimize your enemies.
Yeah, I mean, I guess you have to attack somebody or else you're not going to make progress.
Yeah.
And to give you an example of how this suboptimality and irrationality comes into play, there's a really common situation in a game of diplomacy where one player starts to win and they're at the point where they're controlling about half the map.
And the remaining players who have all been fighting each other the whole game all have to work together now to stop this other player from winning or else everybody's going to lose.
and it's kind of like you know game of thrones like i don't know if you've seen the show like you know you got the the others coming from the north and like all the people have to start you work out the differences and stop them from from taking over um
And the bot will do this.
The bot will work with the other players to stop the superpower from winning.
But if it's trained from scratch or it doesn't really have a good grounding in how humans approach it, it will also, at the same time, attack the other players with its extra units.
So all the units that are not necessary to stop the superpower from winning, it will use those to grab as many centers as possible from the other players.
And...
In totally rational play, the other players should just live with that.
They have to understand like, hey, a score of one is better than a score of zero.
So, okay, he's grabbed my centers, but I'll just deal with it.
But humans don't act that way, right?
The human gets really angry at the bot and ends up throwing the game because I'm going to screw you over because you did something that's not fair to me.
Yeah, exactly.
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