Olivia Attwood

I can't even order a Chinese, honestly.

I'm not telling someone.

I just have a very...

dad-like relationship with my finance director like I will like if I'm going for a tough time I'm calling him crying like we're not doing professional stuff so so you think I need I need people in my like senior team that you know want to be a bit off-piece and unprofessional because I am here they're everywhere you don't want all the corporate jargon bullshit no no I can't do it like I was only in the working world for about a year and a half don't know it

So true.

I don't really know because it's kind of what you said earlier.

Like there's a lot of people doing it now.

So it's like, especially in the early stages, like everyone's showing you like the early stages and it seems people are more keen when the actual business is successful.

They want to get straight to the point now.

So I don't think it is actually essential.

It's nice to have a face of the brand, whether that's just someone you're using on your socials a lot or someone who's like doing all your like website imagery.

It's nice to like be consistent with the face.

It doesn't have to be a founder or

it can be just it can be someone whether it's uh exactly it can be someone that you send out into the street with a microphone on your tiktok account or something like that um but no i don't think you need to like be front-facing if you don't want to i'm a one woman media company i get loads of work but i need to bring someone on to help with the workload what were your first hires you made and what would you recommend starting with to grow a small business

I think your first hire just needs to be an assistant.

So my first hire was a brand assistant and I was very open in the job description.

We're a startup brand.

You're going to be sending orders out in the afternoon, doing returns, customer service emails.

You might even send out a marketing email.

You might do a shoot with me.