Owen Doyle

No, that's part of, you know, we listen to them all saying, Owen Farrow's famous technique and Eddie Jones was simply saying, no, no, I see no reason to change his technique.

And referees were misreading it.

And I think referees are now reading it properly and coaches have said, we've got to clear this up.

And then there's the danger of concussions, serious concussions and dementia, all of that.

There is a massive responsibility, I think, for the coaches.

They shouldn't have to do things because the referees

are applying the law properly and strictly on head contact.

They should do it because they want to do it.

And I think they probably most of them now have looked at it.

You mentioned the Southern Hemisphere.

Now I'm seeing stuff in the Southern Hemisphere that would definitely get carded up here, not being carded.

And that's difference is a bit of a worry.

bit of controversy.

We're going to get controversy.

At least the situation isn't as bad as football.

I mean, in my view, VAR is just ruining the game.

I don't think the TMO is ruining the game.

No, it's very good.

Definitely.

It's very open and it's very good.