Owen Doyle

And she said more or less, well, I have, I have enough evidence to see that I shouldn't have awarded the try.

So we're going 22 meter drop up.

Everybody accepted it because it was the correct decision.

And she's very good at that.

And that's where I think they need to educate the referees.

This is, we want smart, fast decisions.

And if something shows like the next day that, oh yeah, would have touched his shoulder before it took his head off and it shouldn't have been a red card.

Well, that's tough.

I think we've got to live with those errors after the match if we go through a proper process that is more involving the referee.

It was happening in France.

So it was addressed with the French.

In fact, as far as I remember, the director of referees in the EPC or then the ERC, Donald Courtney, as far as anybody went over to France to meet everybody, and they all reassured him that, look, you're right, we're absolutely, we haven't been making errors, but we will re-emphasize.

the need to show everything that we think is foul play.

But that's 20 years ago.

And we now still have queries that I think do have validity because if they're saying we will show everything that we're asked to show and nobody asks them, they won't show it if it's against their own team or they're unlikely to show it.

Yeah, well, exactly.

But it's a professional sport.

If you have to get everything right, then you need you need to have what you refer to as the gold standard every time that you that you've got matches like this.

And the difficulty now is for is for world rugby or watching all of this.

And there are some great guys in there and they're saying, what are we going to do with the World Cup?