Owen O'Kane

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174 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Jun 2026 last heard 13 Jul

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Dig It with Jo Whiley and Zoe Ball · 110: DIG IN: This Episode Could Change Your Life · 13 Jul 2026 podcast

Then of course, then it frees them up to think, all right, okay, maybe tomorrow I can do a bit better or maybe tomorrow I can do a bit more.

So it's not just kind of gentle steps.

You know, the next step, I say this in every part of my work, you know, the only step worth managing is the next step.

That's all.

You manage that next step.

And that can be enough for now.

And that can then create a new foundation and a new sense of stability.

And then, okay, I wonder what the next step looks like.

And then from that there, then you see progress.

What I do know about life is that no situations are permanent.

And that, you know, if things feel awful in the moment, that doesn't mean that that's a permanent state.

So you're helping people see that whatever's going on at the minute, this will transition.

I don't know what it transitions into, but it will transition and there are always ways through.

And we're just going to manage this bit by bit, one step at a time.

So I guess in some ways what you're doing is you're being present for them, you're being available.

but you're not trying to rescue or salvage the situation or create an immediate solution that doesn't exist.

Because inadvertently what you end up doing is you end up colluding with that belief that certainty should be there when actually, like,

The one thing I've really learned about life, the older I get is, you know, the reality for all of us is we're just getting through and we're working our way through and none of us have a clue sometimes what we're doing and none of us know what's coming next.

And actually that's how life is meant to be.

It was never meant to be completely ordered.

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