Oz Veloshian

We're in a moment in time where the evils and ills of social media, either as control, as you just talked about in the TikTok sale case, or as Jonathan Haidt and the ills of which social media has done to a generation and laws banning that in Australia and states in the United States and elsewhere.

suits coming down against Meta at a state level in the United States.

And yet you do have this kind of social media virality and education that is powerful, reaches a lot of people, is clearly, it's not countercultural, right?

But it is speaking some truth to power.

It is a voice of independence that if you were someone who wanted power and control, you wouldn't probably be that fond of, right?

And how do you square those?

Yeah.

Well, I think that it's, again, it's not centralized control.

It's just a wave of bots.

My view, and it's sort of similar, you know that I started my education on the former Soviet Union and my friends were dissidents and they were people that believed in the free flow of information and they weren't gonna get shut down, but they just weren't very influential.

And I think that this is a similar environment.

Like, okay, I've got over a million followers on Twitter.

And if we put out a video with puppets, some of them will get 5 million views, which is pretty cool.

And nobody owns us, nobody influences us, so we can do what we want.

I can't get fired in the way that CBS would not do a show like this, no matter how well they thought it would perform.

They just wouldn't do it because it's too vulnerable for them.

politically given their relationship with the government.

And yet these are tiny drops in an ocean compared to the vast majority of information and disinformation that is being algorithmically promoted to people in the United States and elsewhere.

I mean, when Elon owns the platform, when Zuck owns the platform,

when Trump's buddy owns TikTok, the information that you're going to get is largely going to be different than if the people were just creating things that they thought were interesting and worthwhile.