Pablo Torre

Right.

And so in this case, the forgiveness, the stuff that he is sort of the big vector for is under the label of, let's say, politically motivated persecutions.

Yes.

That's like his deal.

What my Trump board lawyer source guy also pointed out is that, of course, there's also Alice Johnson, who's the pardon czar.

That's her job that Trump invented.

She herself was granted clemency by Trump.

And in that category, I mean, I guess NBA Youngboy is one of them.

So that's another vector here.

But I think the point that I want to establish is that's not even how you really do this if you really want a pardon.

So ProPublica reported this.

Only 10 of roughly 1,600 people granted pardons had even filed petitions to Ed Martin's office, which is f***ing crazy.

So my Trump World source, as well as various other people now in these articles are pointing out like, yeah, if we want pardons, we're not filing these applications.

What we're doing is we're trying to go directly as closely as we can to the office of the White House counsel, to Chief of Staff Susie Wiles.

We're climbing inside of Roger Stone's, you know, 16 buttoned double breasted suit, trying to like get really close personally to the president.

And so, yeah, as Liz Oyer points out, the whole profile of who's in the pipeline takes on a very different flavor.

The class of person who is a lobbyist, to your point about like...

The scammers.

Yes.

It's pretty amazing.