Pam Ashton

I mean, Kitty was very frail.

She had arthritis and she was very slim, very frail.

And Wally was sort of like this person who looked after her all the time.

The family became very famous.

I mean, they couldn't go anywhere because there was always people pointing fingers at them.

I wouldn't have liked to be Shirley for any

a normal 15 year old girl I mean I know on one of your podcasts you said that Kitty missed Donald when he went how would you feel if he's gone well good I suppose wouldn't you yeah of course it's just odd isn't it that silence

because for them, it became their life.

They didn't have any other kind of life.

Yeah, well...

Our house was halls adjoining.

I don't know if you know what that means.

It just means that the two front doors were next to each other.

So you basically, each house had a hallway and a front door.

So you didn't actually have rooms next to...

But it was still really, really loud.

Well, unless she had mega speakers and, you know, boomboxes going on around everyone, I don't think that's possible.

Take it from me, it wasn't.

I witnessed it.

I'm 70 years of age now and everybody that knows me