Pamela Mitchell

And so it was on me to do that.

And so that's why I left and that's why I started doing this.

And then with the crash in 2008, that's when the world sort of woke up and was like, oh yeah, there are no more safe industries.

Like that's an illusion.

And so really the only safety is our ability to take whatever situations life throws us and to navigate them into something that we want to have happen or a place that we want to be.

So, you know, Hef was already in his 80s when I came on the scene.

So he was doing what he needed to do to service the brand.

But behind the scenes, he was hanging with his buddies, just playing cards like any other 80 year old man, you know, in a satin bathrobe.

Yeah, in a satin bathrobe.

But you know, the mansion, it wasn't like this really fancy schmancy place.

It was like the heyday from the 70s.

Like your grandparents, you go into their house, and it's kind of in amber, like,

It was their best moment and don't change it from them.

It was like that.