Paola Ramos

About all of it, yeah, you're right.

I think one of the questions that I think is dividing the party, and I think it goes back to the kind of like the Hillary and Bernie division or tension, will be the ICE question.

like do you do you want and i think candidates will be forced because one thing is to to rally behind immigrants down now suddenly everyone cares about the raids but then the the moral question for the party will be like do you abolish ice or not and i think that's going to be kind of what you know where where you see the courage or not because what the data shows you

and this is what like progressives are talking about, what the data shows you is that that messaging doesn't work.

The- Abolishing ICE.

It doesn't work.

That's like the numbers that I've seen is that the data shows you that people don't want or don't feel comfortable with that language, that they want a sort of broader like, you know, we want a comprehensive immigration reform type of messaging.

However, what the organizers will tell you is that they know that the right thing is to abolish ICE.

Like that is the North Star.

As an institution, as a history of ICE, it is corrupt.

Take it down and start over with the vision that you want.

That's to your point.

Do you do the safe thing or do you do the right thing?

What strategically do you need to do the politically right thing in order for this long-term goal?

I'm of the belief like you,

particularly now when so many people feel politically homeless and like these like bargaining chips, like you fight for weight, of course.

Because I feel like- I don't know that they'll do that.

I'm with you completely.

The last election.

know numbers i saw from from political consultants is that they they're not with it um but i i also you know i think this is where like the harris campaign really failed i think i think in in 2024 they also bet on this idea that if if they too were hardline on immigration