Paola Ramos

And to really understand what you're talking about and to find the real empathy and curiosity in you to want to understand and to not be led by the fearmonger, which is so easy.

And so, I think now the interesting question is like, now that the fear mongering is gone, now that finally Americans of all walks of life have been exposed in their front yards with the raids and with who immigrants really are, which are family members and their dads and their moms and their children.

That might change the conversation, perhaps.

Again, I'm cynical because we've been here before.

People cried when family separation happened.

The whole country was morally outraged.

And then we went back to Trump.

So I'm very cynical.

I mean, I think there's a lot to learn from Zoran, right?

Totally.

There's so much to learn from him because he was, and I know you know him, but he was capable of doing, I guess, what, you know, and I met them.

He was capable of getting the Trump supporters and getting the Latino immigrants and the Muslim Americans.

He was able to build a coalition based on a sense that everyone

is worthy of belonging in a place right and like that is you know then you can get into the immigration stuff but there's no no one is left behind and you don't even have to like call people out but it is it is like everyone is worthy of this thing of this yeah even the universal child care if your child's undocumented they're still getting and everyone can get getting a lunch sure and and you can and if you and i you know i'm not a i'm not a political strategist but i do believe in like if you feel inspired right like if you if you feel like

It's what I felt when I was graduating from college here in New York and I went to go work for Barack Obama.

I felt it.

People ask me all the time, what does it mean to be a Latino or a Latina?

I don't know, but I know that it's a feeling.

I know it's something that I feel when I walk into a space.

I don't know how politicians think about us, but I know that it feels good.