Pastor Dave Hodges

Kind of, kind of.

We do carry just straight DMT, but also vape pens.

It depends.

Probably about $100 for that.

Well, through our membership, we now have a little over 135,000 members who have all physically come through the church to get sacrament.

If you had asked me when I started the church if we would ever become the largest psychedelic church in the world, I would tell you you were crazy.

It ended with these three golden beings sitting down with me and telling me everything that I had went through in my life and what I was supposed to do.

And what they told me was that they needed me because I was somebody who was capable of understanding them, but also I fought a lot of court cases and all the experience that I learned through the cannabis industry was things that they needed me to do and fight to protect this tool and this movement.

Yeah, well, I mean, these are best described as spiritual visions.

Absolutely.

Without the raid, you might not ever know we existed.

Yeah, basically.

That if you wanted to make a lot of money, you do a business where you didn't have to worry about the cops coming in and knocking down the door and taking everything.

You know, this is not

This is not a situation where you can build wealth out of.

Security is really expensive.

Again, we're in Oakland, so it's, as you saw, a fairly hard area.

And without armed guards at the door, things would happen.

To me, if there's a pile of $100,000 in cash sitting around, I'm freaking out going, well, who do I give this to so that the cops don't come take it?

Because the more assets that you have, the more assets they can take.