Pat Kenny

Mark, if this deal does move forward and you say this is probably the most optimistic we have been over the last couple of months, where does that leave Israel and Lebanon?

Is that the real test in all of this?

Okay, so a potential path forward, but clearly any meaningful final agreement is likely to be a really long and uncertain process from the sound of things.

Mark, thank you for giving us that update.

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In life, he dominated Irish political life for over four decades.

He divided opinion, with some seeing him as the most able politician the country has produced, while others see him as self-serving, vain and a real corrosive stain on the body politic.

Where does the truth lie?

Well, I'm delighted that Gary Murphy, Professor of Politics at Dublin City University and author of How He Joins Me Now.

You're welcome to the studio, Gary.

And it was about 10 o'clock, wasn't it, in the morning on this day 20 years ago?

It is two decades, right, since he passed away.

And you often see with controversial figures that in the fullness of time, history is kind to them.

And you hear that line time and time again.

Does it apply to Charles Hoagy?