Pat Kenny
speaker
10,429 appearances
248 recordings
2 series
first heard May 2025
last heard 6d ago
Pat Kenny’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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That is how you present it to us.
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And the question at the heart of it is, suppose you know that ordinary people, be they innocent or if they are, as you put it, competence, if their lives are being put in danger and the security forces in whatever branch they might work, become aware of this.
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Do they have an obligation to save that person's life or do they let everything go ahead in order to protect their informants?
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Now, the title of your book, Neither Confirm Nor Deny, where did that policy come from?
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How old is that policy?
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This was the outfit that Scappaticci was in charge of.
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Now, the extraordinary thing about all of this covert operational activity by the British government, there were a number of agencies involved.
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The special branch of the RUC, now the PSNI, MI5, and the Army.
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Now, were they in competition with each other or were they cooperative with each other?
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I'm just wondering to what extent did people die unnecessarily because the agencies didn't talk to each other?
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In other words, if, for example, the FRU of the army spoke to the special branch, would they have acted to stop a killing that might have been avoided?
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Is that interagency rivalry partly responsible for some of the deaths?
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Now, you mentioned Brian Nelson, and I suppose himself and Freddy Scappaticci, a.k.a.
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Steakknife, are, if you like, the stars of the narrative, although others are obviously implicated.
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Looking at the face of Brian Nelson, I mean, I don't know whether I ever would have trusted him to do my bidding.
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He was a reckless individual who seemed to just want to be a tout for the fun of it.
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Yeah, but I mean, he was reckless in the sense that you tell one story in your book about he was at a function and his sister was there, and he got his sister to ring his controller.
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Yeah, he had a habit of... What kind of a buzz that gave him, I don't know.
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Now, the Scappaticci recruitment, what they really had on him to recruit him, he was at the heart of the IRA, as I mentioned earlier, the head of the Nutting Squad, involved in literally the abduction and the torturing and killing of people.
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What was it that enabled them to recruit Scappaticci?
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