Patricia Forde

And guard it.

And we should say, Clare, the new laureate has been announced, Laurie Dunlop, who is the amazing Chris Houghton.

And people know his beautiful picture.

And we totally underestimate them as well as readers.

Like you watch a two and a half year old.

They have for the first time all day, they have autonomy.

You're reading, but they're looking at the picture and they're making their own decisions and their own little stories in their heads.

And a book is like a play, like every spread is a scene.

And when you turn that page, the curtain comes up again.

So if you can imagine a play where every scene, the curtain comes down and then the new scene, the curtain goes up.

When you turn that page, the curtain's just gone up on something.

Remember, they have no experience of the world, so it's all new to them, all exciting.

Yeah, I just think it's a brilliant thing to do.