Patrick Bet-David

So let's break down that question because it's a very good question. The first question is, is this permanent? Well, I can just give you the evidence and the data. For example, 10 years ago, Think about that. Ten years ago, we treated patients with bladder cancer. And if you have bladder cancer, the outcome is it would progress and you would die from metastatic disease.

So let's break down that question because it's a very good question. The first question is, is this permanent? Well, I can just give you the evidence and the data. For example, 10 years ago, Think about that. Ten years ago, we treated patients with bladder cancer. And if you have bladder cancer, the outcome is it would progress and you would die from metastatic disease.

Or in order to prevent that, you would remove your entire bladder. That's called a radical cystectomy. So 10 years ago, we put it into patients in our phase one, and guess what? Those patients are still alive with their bladder 10 years out and with a great quality of life.

Or in order to prevent that, you would remove your entire bladder. That's called a radical cystectomy. So 10 years ago, we put it into patients in our phase one, and guess what? Those patients are still alive with their bladder 10 years out and with a great quality of life.

We have patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer, and you know with metastatic pancreatic cancer that the lifespan is very limited. We published a paper with five-year data of metastatic pancreatic cancer, completely free of disease at that time. You know there's another disease called Merkel cell carcinoma, which is a very aggressive tumor in the skin like a melanoma.

We have patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer, and you know with metastatic pancreatic cancer that the lifespan is very limited. We published a paper with five-year data of metastatic pancreatic cancer, completely free of disease at that time. You know there's another disease called Merkel cell carcinoma, which is a very aggressive tumor in the skin like a melanoma.

We have patients now out six years free of disease, seven years free of disease. What does this mean is that we not only have supercharged the immune system, we've taught the immune system to have what we call T-cell memory. And in so doing, it is cells in your body that will hide and wait for the cancer if it wants to come back and kill it. So that's what we do.

We have patients now out six years free of disease, seven years free of disease. What does this mean is that we not only have supercharged the immune system, we've taught the immune system to have what we call T-cell memory. And in so doing, it is cells in your body that will hide and wait for the cancer if it wants to come back and kill it. So that's what we do.

Conceptually, what we do differently from anybody else is, as you recall, many years ago, in fact, that's when we were playing basketball together, I thought that maybe the cancer, we could find the pathways within the innards of the cancer with genomics and the pathways, and we could block it. I soon realized that this cancer on the inside has got so many fail-safe pathways, tens of them.

Conceptually, what we do differently from anybody else is, as you recall, many years ago, in fact, that's when we were playing basketball together, I thought that maybe the cancer, we could find the pathways within the innards of the cancer with genomics and the pathways, and we could block it. I soon realized that this cancer on the inside has got so many fail-safe pathways, tens of them.

You block one, the other one opens. You block the other, the other one opens. So you can't kill the cancer from the inside out. I realized you have to kill the cancer from the outside in. You have to attack the cancer on its surface from the outside in and shatter it, and then shatter it completely and derive memory that will recognize it. That's the natural killer cell.

You block one, the other one opens. You block the other, the other one opens. So you can't kill the cancer from the inside out. I realized you have to kill the cancer from the outside in. You have to attack the cancer on its surface from the outside in and shatter it, and then shatter it completely and derive memory that will recognize it. That's the natural killer cell.

So what is different is we're killing the cancer from the outside in a way that will drive memory and be permanent. What other companies are doing, they're still doing these incremental changes and checkpoint inhibitors targeted, et cetera, and they're all incremental. We need to change it where it is long-term overall survival with a high quality of life, and we've already shown that.

So what is different is we're killing the cancer from the outside in a way that will drive memory and be permanent. What other companies are doing, they're still doing these incremental changes and checkpoint inhibitors targeted, et cetera, and they're all incremental. We need to change it where it is long-term overall survival with a high quality of life, and we've already shown that.

You know, what's given more clarity was actually not even the last five years and the last six months. Please tell me. As I've been walking around trying to explain this idea that the disease is the immune system, that the fundamental flaw of early mortality or fundamental cause of early mortality is the loss or the collapse of the immune system. The light bulb went on.

You know, what's given more clarity was actually not even the last five years and the last six months. Please tell me. As I've been walking around trying to explain this idea that the disease is the immune system, that the fundamental flaw of early mortality or fundamental cause of early mortality is the loss or the collapse of the immune system. The light bulb went on.

that that collapse happens when you have sepsis.

that that collapse happens when you have sepsis.

That collapse when you have aging. That collapse when you have trauma. That collapse when you have TB. That collapse when you have COVID. That collapse when you have cancer. So it is truly almost like the holy grail of the fountain of long life, not of youth, but how to protect your body.

That collapse when you have aging. That collapse when you have trauma. That collapse when you have TB. That collapse when you have COVID. That collapse when you have cancer. So it is truly almost like the holy grail of the fountain of long life, not of youth, but how to protect your body.