Pattie Gonia

And that is not something that I want to play into.

So I've been thinking a lot about what that means for me and my work.

How do I organize my life and my work around seeing social media as a thing that I want to get off of as fast as possible and move towards connection in real life?

connection with people in real life and that is why a lot of my work has moved off the internet and has moved to in-person shows because i'm like that's the only thing keeping me going are making in-person spaces for people to take action together to look at each other in the eyes and say oh there's way more of us than there are of them oh there's way more power that we have in our collective action and that's the future i want for everyone to realize is that we have way more in common with each other than we do with a motherfucking billionaire

Okay, I said my piece.

Perhaps.

You literally are an editor-in-chief at a magazine.

Social media is a part of what you do.

How are you thinking about that intersection when it comes to politic, when it comes to space-making?

How's that changed throughout your life?

I think you should coin hope maxing.

Hope maxing.

Come on.

Thinking a lot about lately is how we tell ourselves that we are the most intelligent species on planet earth and we're busy dropping bombs, destroying our home.

And yet the least intelligent species are busy building it.

They're out there building, generating, creating, taking severed connection and healing it and

And of course, there is division in nature.

Division is a part of every ecosystem, but there are so many more builders constantly at work.

And I think that the human species can learn a lot about that because while there is a lot of people at the top that are creating a lot of division, there are a lot of builders.

And I think what building looks like right now can look like so many things.