Paul Renault

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Breaking Green · Decolonizing Conservation: Evictions of Indigenous Maasai in Tanzania · 6 Jul 2026 podcast

So basically, um UNESCO has been providing the legitimacy and the arguments to the Tanzanian government um to justify the evictions and including uh in its most recent um recommendations.

So the Tanzanian government continues to again, yeah, frame the Maasai as um destroying the environment um and to frame their evictions as voluntary relocation.

Um and it's a vocabulary that has been um taken also um or reused by by UNESCO.

So it really all goes um hand in hand and that's what we what uh survival has been trying to to point to and what the Maasai also have protested against.

Yeah, so the Maasai have been here for for generations, since uh time immemorial basically.

And it's true what you say that um it's counterintuitive to see UNESCO um pushing that narrative of um

Yeah, again, uh nature that is threatened by by its by its people.

Um but it's very characteristic of the um of the concept of natural world heritage.

This idea that these areas um have a natural um outstanding value for all humanity.

So basically once um this value is um put under the the care or the trusteeship of all humanity, then the people who actually live there and who under international law have land rights over these areas um are disregarded.

Yes, it's counterintuitive, uh but very yeah, very characteristic and it's something that um we have also documented in many other protected areas all across Africa and Asia, um of uh UNESCO World Heritage Sites.

That um

Well the status has been um has been given to areas with shocking levels of violence um and evictions of of indigenous peoples in the name of conservation.

Yeah, I think that's very um ingrained in in the Maasai way of life to just care for the environment, make sure that it's also sustainable for the future generations.

Um and that's the case for all indigenous peoples basically because they depend um so closely um on the land um and that they it's in their interest and in the interest of future generations to take care of it as

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