Paul Renault

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Breaking Green · Decolonizing Conservation: Evictions of Indigenous Maasai in Tanzania · 6 Jul 2026 podcast

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And there are a lot of rules and practices that are meant to make sure that the land remains in good conditions for future generations and for themselves.

And framing their practices as destroying the environment or being uncontrolled or being a pressure actually also disregards this level of

knowledge and expertise that the masa have in managing their own land.

And all scientific evidence points towards um the value of pastoralism in again, not only protecting but also shaping these these areas.

They would look completely different without um pastoralism and wouldn't be as um um biodiverse or or in as good um shape.

Um and again as you was as you were saying, they also have the right to be there regardless.

So it's not as if their rights were conditioned on them being good environmentalists.

But the fa the fact is and the tr scientific truth is that they are.

Yes, that's true.

I mean industrialized nations are trying to

um yeah compensate the fact that they destroy or their activities are destroying the environment and trying to compensate that uh on the other side of the world by by yeah forcing other people to to to change uh again without really scientific evidence and we also see that um in a in a more yeah in a even

more disconnected way with carbon credits, for example.

So now it's the case with biodiversity, but in the case of um of carbon, um donations that are most um

that have the highest uh level of uh greenhouse gases emissions uh are

hoping or trying or pretending to compensate compensate them by um by again funding projects or or buying credits from projects that also destroy um indigenous peoples lands and most often in the in the global south.

So yeah it's a dynamic that we really see um in the whole um environment um

Yeah, that's exactly right.

So for example, the Ngorongoro conservation area that we that we just mentioned was when it was designed, was designed as a place for uh what they call the multiple land use.

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