Paul Saladino
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The Shawn Ryan Show · #179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day · 5 Mar 2025
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I can just walk up to any plant outside here and go start eating its bark. So that plant out of necessity, historically, has developed or was created with defense chemicals to dissuade insects, fungi, humans, animals from eating it without regard to what's in it. And this is not the stuff of fairy tales, not opinion, this is botanical science. Plant defense chemicals are real.
There are so many plants that if we go eat them, we'll die immediately, right? I mean, think about mushrooms. There are so many poisonous mushrooms that do this. Mushrooms are kind of stuck in the ground too. Mushrooms are a different story for the most part, but they're an interesting story separate from plants. They're not in the same kingdom as plants. They do reverse respiration.
They inhale oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide like us. Plants inhale carbon dioxide, exhale oxygen because of photosynthesis. So mushrooms are interesting. We can talk about them too. But the whole plant idea is that plants, out of necessity, contain defense chemicals, right?
And those defense chemicals can be harmful for humans at the level of our gut, at the level of our immune system, at the level of absorption of nutrients. And some people are uniquely sensitive to plant defense chemicals. Historically, when hunter-gatherers eat vegetables, they almost always ferment them. We don't do that so much. Think about how we eat grains today.
And I haven't really mentioned grains a whole lot. I'm not a huge fan of grains. I think most humans get much healthier when they stop eating grains, probably because we eat grains by just cooking them. And that gets rid of some of the defense chemicals, but not all of the defense chemicals. So take oatmeal, for instance.
Oats are high in a compound called phytic acid, which is a big molecule that chelates minerals. And if you cook oats into oatmeal, and oats are a plant seed, right? It's been rolled into like a little flat oat. If you cook oats into oatmeal,
You degrade maybe 40% of the phytic acid, but still 60% is left, meaning that if you're eating oatmeal in the morning for breakfast, and say you're putting milk on your oatmeal, you're not absorbing as much of the calcium or magnesium in the milk because the phytic acid in the oats is binding it and it's going out in your poop.
Oats also contain zinc, but you're not absorbing much of the zinc in oats because it contains phytic acid. So historically, what would humans have done to eat oats? We would have fermented it for days. And this makes this kind of nasty, fermented, sour oat mash, but that's a much safer way to eat oats.
You can degrade more than 90% of the phytic acid in oats, but you have to ferment it for four and a half days at a temperature of 78 degrees Fahrenheit and a pH of 4.8. It's possible, but no one does that, right? We go to the store and we get Quaker oatmeal and we just put it, you know.
Oats are also full of saponins, which is another type of defense chemical that is not degraded with cooking, that is irritating for our gut. It's a defense chemical in oats. Many oats today are contaminated with glyphosate as a pesticide. So grains are plant seeds. So seeds, nuts, grains, and beans are all plant seeds. If you plant those in the ground, it grows into a plant. That means it's a seed.
So all of those have potential problems for humans in the way that we digest them. All of those contain digestive enzyme inhibitors because plants don't want them to get digested. Or plant DNA doesn't move to the next generation. Plants are interested in reproducing also. We find meaning as humans in moving our DNA to the next generation. That's what we're kind of programmed to do.
Some would say that's the point of life. I think that they might not be very wrong in that. Plants do the same thing. Plants want to move their DNA to the next generation. But because we coexist with plants, as do animals and other things that want to eat the plants, plants have defense chemicals. So the idea of shunning vegetables is most applicable to those people that are very immune sensitive.
If someone has an autoimmune condition, whether it's lupus or Sjogren's or rheumatoid arthritis, and there are a lot of autoimmune conditions, inflammatory bowel diseases, autoimmune, you know, my eczema, psoriasis, skin conditions, these are all autoimmune.
In that case, I think it's worth considering a trial, a temporary trial of vegetable elimination to see if your autoimmune disease gets better. Interesting. So I just did a podcast with my friend when I was in DC. Her name's Courtney Swan, and this will be on her podcast. We talked about her fiance.
His name's Hector, and I'll tell the story because it's so striking, and I've heard this over and over and over. He's had psoriasis for the last 10 to 15 years. They tried everything. She's in the health space. And finally, he just got fed up and said, I'm going to do a carnivore diet. And I said, okay, do carnivore plus fruit. Do meat plus squash plus fruit.
And for the first time, his psoriasis is getting better. It's almost completely resolved. No shit. No shit. Like this happens all the time. Does everyone need to get rid of all the vegetables? No. Some people with autoimmune disease, Jordan Peterson is a great example, are uniquely sensitive in an autoimmune fashion. And is it because of her gut flora? Is it because of exposures I had as a kid?
Is it because of my genetics? Who knows? Vegetables are way healthier than Snickers bars. But for some people, eliminating vegetables, results in incredibly just profound immune resolution.
Some people really like vegetables, Sean. Every once in a while, I'm talking to somebody, usually a girl, who says like, but I like my vegetables. I think we've also been programmed to believe that salad is good for us. And I think a lot of people use salad Ladies, I'm talking to you as like just to fill themselves up and they feel like that's how they can lose weight.
That's the wrong way to lose weight. The way to lose weight is to eat higher quality foods. Don't substitute lower nutrient density foods. The other problem with vegetables is that the nutrients in vegetables are less bioavailable than they are in animal foods often. So plant protein, animal protein, you probably talked about this with Gabrielle Lyon.
Animal protein is much more bioavailable, about twice as bioavailable as plant protein.
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