Payton Moreland
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3,581 appearances
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Jun 2025
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Charlotte's here during all of this. So the next question is, what was she doing? So police realize this and they have a theory. They're like Carrie and Lloyd went to Michelle's house together to kill her that night. Something Lloyd was already banking on pulling off when he failed to appear in court earlier that day. The tricky part now is getting either one of them to confess.
Especially with how little evidence there was to prove this was a homicide. And again, where was Charlotte? So around September 2017, about a month after Michelle's death, police decide to go ahead and put a wiretap on Carrie and Lloyd's phone. And they start listening in on their conversations. Now, at first, they aren't giving them much to go off of.
The conversations are pretty day-to-day stuff. How's school? How's things going? Nothing for police to get them on. So in November, police decide to sort of up the ante. They do something called tickling the wire.
One of the investigators on Michelle's case calls Carrie to deliberately put her on edge. Basically saying, like, we need to meet up with you in person soon. We have a few things we need to talk to you about. When can you come down to the station? Carrie's like, oh, sure. I'll be there Monday afternoon. The investigator's like, yep, see ya. They hang up. Seconds later, Carrie calls her father.
Takes the bait, hook, line, and sinker. And when Lloyd picks up, it's clear that Carrie is panicking. She says, what do I do? Now, at first, Lloyd's like, look, it's probably just standard procedure. Don't worry. But halfway through the conversation, he starts to sort of panic. He tells Carrie, actually, just don't go in and speak with them. He even comes up with an excuse for her.
Tell them you have to have a counseling appointment back in New Jersey. It's going to be hard to squeeze it in. Then he asks Carrie something really weird. He says, can you cry? Meaning over the phone when she calls detectives back, can she fake some tears? And Carrie says, I might, which is just bonkers. Then they talk a bit more about what the investigators might want.
And Lloyd reassures her if they were planning to arrest them, they'd have just stormed in with a warrant, not asked her to come down for a quick conversation. I can tell you one thing. It doesn't seem like Carrie makes it into the police station that Monday. So in January of 2018, police devise one more plan to try and get the two to confess.
On the 24th of January, two detectives show up to Lloyd's New Jersey office and they tell them, so the medical examiner has ruled your ex-wife's death a homicide and we know that you weren't at the hotel that night because of security footage. He basically says, we're on to you guys. How about you come meet us down at the station? Take a polygraph. We'll rule you out. And Lloyd agrees.
Meanwhile, police are also showing up at Carrie's door, confronting her about their suspicions and asking her to take a polygraph as well. But when Carrie gets down to the station, she proves she's not very good at keeping up with the lies because she completely caves under the pressure of this interrogation. And here's what she says.
about a week before the murder her father went to her and unloaded his problems on her he said that michelle was bleeding him dry he could no longer afford to pay for any of the things he owed her he told carrie that he felt like there were only two ways out of this mess either he killed michelle or he killed himself and he forced carrie his daughter to make the decision for him holy crap
Now, Carrie, remember, has been being manipulated by her father for years and she has chosen to side with him. She sees her mother as the evil one. So together they devised a plan for how to get rid of Michelle. They were going to stage her death as a suicide. Then on the night of August 26th, Lloyd got into Carrie's car and drove with her over to Michelle's house. Carrie let him inside.
He snuck up to Michelle's bedroom, confronted her there. Now, remember, I was like, but Charlotte's there. What are they going to do with Charlotte? What's going on? Carrie's job in this plan. was to keep her 14-year-old sister Charlotte distracted while her father was in another room strangling their mother to death.
And when he was finished staging the death to look like a suicide, the three of them would drive off into the night And apparently Carrie did such a good job distracting Charlotte. She had zero idea her mother had been killed.
Until that following Monday. Imagine the trauma of being in a house when that happened and finding out later that you were in the house when that happened and you had no idea what was going on.
But Carrie tells police that this interrogation, she had no physical involvement. She said, I was just, I knew the plan and I was to distract my sister. I also did disconnect the electronics in the home. I imagine this means like cameras. That could give away the fact that her father was even there that night.
So hearing this over at the Rochester station, police are ready to put Lloyd in handcuffs the second he enters the New Jersey station for that polygraph. only he doesn't show up. So instead, police track his phone and find him miles away at a parking structure in Princeton, New Jersey. When they get there, Lloyd is standing on the roof of the building, threatening to jump.
For the next two hours, police are trying to literally talk Lloyd off of a ledge. Eventually, when Lloyd lets his guard down for a second, one of the larger state troopers who was there pulls him back to the ground. Within seconds, Lloyd is placed in handcuffs and charged with first-degree murder. That same day, Carrie, his daughter, is also arrested.
She's charged with second-degree murder and tampering with evidence for her involvement in the crime.
I mean, yes, but there's also not a ton of physical evidence outside of Carrie's confession.
So basically, the prosecutor's like, I think the only way we can really get Lloyd, who's pleading not guilty, is if we get Carrie, his daughter, to testify against him.
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