Payton Moreland
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Jun 2025
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But things only got worse after Lloyd moved to New Jersey and the couple decided to get divorced. That's when Lloyd started turning the girls against Michelle, particularly Carrie, the middle daughter. Now, I don't know all of the nuances of what Lloyd would say to Carrie or her sisters, but over time, I know Carrie truly grew to hate her mother.
And a lot of that had to do with the little seeds that Lloyd was planting over the years of this divorce. Now, just to show you how brainwashed Carrie was, and remember that she already would go kneel in front of her dad. She was visibly shaken. There was one incident that happened back in 2015. This was two years before Michelle's death.
One afternoon, Michelle was backing her car slowly out of the driveway after another fight with Carrie. Carrie tried to block her car from leaving, but eventually Michelle made her exit. No one was hurt from what I can tell during this argument, but Lloyd convinced Carrie that Michelle's intentions that day were nefarious and she was actually trying to run Carrie over with her car.
So her dad looks at her and says, your mom was trying to kill you.
It's just very... That's weird.
She was so convinced of her father's version of events that she actually filed a police report against Michelle. Although the allegations didn't hold up because there's, I mean, obvious reasons. But even with manipulation and psychological warfare aside, Lloyd was also trying to ruin Michelle's life using the court system.
I guess after the couple finalized their divorce in 2013, Lloyd filed 26 separate post divorce filings, which is why this was still ongoing by the time of the murder. He was basically suing Michelle, using false claims to try and get out of things like paying child support. And of course, as we heard earlier, trying to get full custody of their youngest daughter, Charlotte.
Now, according to some lawyers who worked on Michelle's case, it's normal to have maybe two or three post-divorce filings, but 26 is outrageous, which is strange because that many filings sounds pretty expensive. I mean, imagine all those lawyer fees you're paying each time you head to court. And yet Lloyd was extremely broke. By 2017, he was $100,000 in debt at least, which this debt,
was due to the child support and alimony payments that he needed to make, payments that Lloyd was clearly hell-bent on fighting. That was until August of 2017. On that afternoon, Lloyd didn't show up for his court appearance, the one for full custody of Charlotte, He didn't answer the court's emails or phone calls, just no call, no show.
So the case was dismissed, meaning Michelle would maintain the custody agreement that they had of Charlotte. Obviously, like I said, that was a major win. She was thrilled about it. She was celebrating. And then she died by hanging later that night. The timing of all this is extremely suspicious to police. Here's a man that was fighting his ex-wife tooth and nail over every little thing.
And on the day she dies, he mysteriously doesn't show up for court. It also doesn't help that Lloyd was very well aware of a life insurance policy Michelle had taken out recently. And if she died, $200,000 was meant to go to 14-year-old Charlotte.
Even stranger, one of the first places Lloyd apparently went after he learned about his ex-wife's passing was to family court to turn off his child support and alimony payments because his wife was now dead. So now not only has Lloyd's alibi that he was in California been thrown out the window, He also seems to have a lot of motive as well.
Not just hatred, not just wanting custody of a child, but also a ton of debt and money. And with police having a hard time getting a hold of him, they figure they're just going to have to corner him and get him to answer some questions. Where do they find him? At one of his favorite places, of course, a few days later at the local courthouse settling more business.
Now, once police get to talk to him, Lloyd gives pretty much the same story that Carrie last gave. On the afternoon of August 26th, he helped Carrie move into her new apartment near campus, and then he went and stayed at a hotel nearby. He says Carrie came with him that night. They hung out for a little while, and then she left to go stay at her mother's house.
So he walked her to her car, said goodbye, and invited her back to have breakfast with him in the morning. Then he says he spent the night in the hotel. And the following morning, Carrie came to breakfast and met him, but now she had Charlotte. So when police go to corroborate his story, they look into his cell phone location and find that does track. Lloyd's phone never left the hotel that night.
But the security cameras in the parking lot tell a very different story. It's good for you, Garrett.
That contradicts the story.
So that evening when Carrie left to go to her mother's house, Lloyd, her father got in the passenger seat and drove off with her. So just because his cell phone stayed behind at the hotel, doesn't mean he did. And those cameras don't show Lloyd or Carrie returning to that hotel until 6 30 AM the next morning.
Okay. Even if Carrie's cell phone was there for two hours, which police believe she doesn't come back with her dad until 6 30 AM the next morning. And they are both wearing the clothes that they left it the night before. They never changed into pajamas, which means they probably never slept.
Well, you also have a 14 year old daughter here.
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