Payton Moreland
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Jun 2025
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that fight or early the following morning. But the medical examiner also notices the little you mark on her chin and the scratches on her face. And this is why they decide to not list the death as a suicide yet. They mark it as undetermined until more investigation is done. So police are continuing to look into how Michelle died and they aren't anywhere near closing the book on this one yet.
And when they speak with Michelle's mother, Jean, she says with a lot of confidence, she was pretty sure that her daughter was murdered and this death was staged to look like a suicide. Now, look, I want to state just because someone has future plans or seems outwardly happy does not mean they aren't struggling. Doesn't mean they wouldn't take their own lives.
And sometimes even the people closest to us don't really know how we're feeling.
But Jean, she encourages police just keep following the leads because I don't believe this was suicide. She says Michelle was excited about this new chapter of her life, her kids leaving, her personal interests, her religion, which is why Jean tells them not only do you need to be looking into this as a murder, you need to look into Lloyd, her husband that she's currently divorcing.
Here's the thing. Lloyd's on the other side of the country at that job interview in California. So he's got a pretty good alibi. And while Lloyd does seem to be dodging their phone calls, that doesn't mean police are closing the book on the murder theory or him as a person of interest. So a couple of weeks pass. There's a little movement in the case.
That is until investigators notice something tiny in one of the crime scene photos as they're relooking at the evidence. Michelle's bed appears to be slightly askew. And so they're looking at this photo, zooming in and behind it, they notice a very faint stain on the wall that they didn't notice originally. And it looks like a blood stain.
So police go back to the county medical examiner and are like, hey, we need a second opinion on that autopsy. And when they look closer, they find the damage to her throat is not consistent with the injuries that are usually seen in self-strangulation cases. Which tells them this probably means another party was involved in this hanging.
They also learn there was another detail about that day that Michelle supposedly died. One Carrie seemingly left out when she told police about the big fight she had had with her mom. See, that same day that Michelle was found dead, she had just had a major victory in their court case. Something to do with the ongoing custody battle she had been engaging in with Lloyd for the youngest daughter.
which is just more confirmation to police that Michelle likely wouldn't have chosen to die by suicide, not after she had just made huge progress in this custody case. But more importantly, when they learn this, it made them question the 19-year-old daughter, Carrie. So they get a copy of Carrie's phone records because they want to corroborate this story she initially told them.
She said she wasn't at her mom's house for very long that night, only about 15 minutes before she took her sister, got in the car and drove to her apartment in Rochester to spend the weekend. But the phone records show Carrie was at her mom's house for a lot longer than she said, more likely two hours in the house before she left.
oh here we go they're like well like that's a pretty obvious lie you would know 15 minutes versus two hours you might not know an hour and a half versus two hours so they're like this is an obvious lie she obviously lied and the fact that her mother according to the autopsy died that same night or in the early morning red flags man here we go that puts some suspicion on Carrie and her story.
So the question for investigators was, would Carrie have done something like this alone? The other sister was there. So this is why the police speak with her again. And this time she tells them, okay, Actually, my dad wasn't in California that weekend. She's feeling pressure from police. And so she gives up this lie and says he was actually back by that point.
And he was with me in Rochester helping me move into my new apartment. which means Lloyd's alibi is sort of scrubbed now, considering he was only a two-hour drive from his ex-wife's house on the night that she died, not all the way across the United States. And so that's when the police take a much closer look at the family's dynamics as a whole, because they're like, okay, there's lies going on.
We confront her. She doesn't really say, oh, yeah, I lied about that night. She said, well, I lied about my dad and his whereabouts. Right.
So police dig further into this family's dynamics. The people who know them, they begin interviewing. I remember how a lot of the dance moms saw Lloyd as the caring, charismatic father who took an interest in his daughter's extracurriculars. Well, it turns out some of the girl's friends saw another side of Lloyd growing up that sort of scared them.
Apparently Lloyd was a really strict disciplinarian with the girls, kept them on a short leash. He just seemed controlling at times. I'm talking militant drill sergeant wanting to keep control over them, not like a normal parent control. One friend said there was a time when she saw Lloyd snap his fingers and yell front and center, and the girls rushed over to him and knelt in front of him.
There was another time when a friend witnessed Lloyd slap the girls across their faces. This is what he was doing with friends at the house, friends in company.
But this sort of control wasn't reserved for just his children. Apparently, he would also do this in public with his wife. Around 2007, he even made her cut ties with her own parents. Michelle's mother, Jean, believed that that was because Lloyd was threatening to take the children away if she didn't stop speaking with them.
It's also a number one sign of a cult or a cult-like leader.
Which also probably have very severe narcissistic tendencies.
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