Pete Buttigieg

But I think he felt like the way to do this was to get things done in Congress.

He felt that, you know, he'd managed to get the infrastructure bill done, IRA.

He felt that, you know, he'd managed to get the infrastructure bill done, IRA.

But what's interesting is when he finally gave up on Congress...

But what's interesting is when he finally gave up on Congress...

when it was clear that we just weren't going to get very far.

when it was clear that we just weren't going to get very far.

And meanwhile, you would have had that set of executive orders that came late in the term.

And meanwhile, you would have had that set of executive orders that came late in the term.

That had a major effect on the number of illegal crossings.

That had a major effect on the number of illegal crossings.

So you got to ask yourself if that executive order that happened toward the end, if that had been done in year one, year two,

So you got to ask yourself if that executive order that happened toward the end, if that had been done in year one, year two,

Would we be in a different place?

Would we be in a different place?

Now, of course, we're on the other extreme.

Now, of course, we're on the other extreme.

I mean, we got citizens who just have an accent or look brown getting picked up, sometimes getting detained without access to a lawyer for a frighteningly long amount of time.

I mean, we got citizens who just have an accent or look brown getting picked up, sometimes getting detained without access to a lawyer for a frighteningly long amount of time.

And that's citizens, let alone other people who...