Pete Buttigieg

And that's citizens, let alone other people who...

Maybe they shouldn't be here, but they also shouldn't be brutalized, right?

Maybe they shouldn't be here, but they also shouldn't be brutalized, right?

And I think one reason you see the pendulum swinging on this is we're seeing just how extreme it's gotten at a time when, again, I think the only way forward really is a kind of a grand bargain where we bring together the people who believe in these simple realities that we've got an economy.

And I think one reason you see the pendulum swinging on this is we're seeing just how extreme it's gotten at a time when, again, I think the only way forward really is a kind of a grand bargain where we bring together the people who believe in these simple realities that we've got an economy.

and a society that exerts a pull that actually needs more people, like for our demographics and our economy to work, then there is room in the kind of legal pipeline to come in.

and a society that exerts a pull that actually needs more people, like for our demographics and our economy to work, then there is room in the kind of legal pipeline to come in.

Let's be more precise by what we mean.

Let's be more precise by what we mean.

I mean, if you mean like having it be difficult, at least as difficult as it is now to cross illegally, I think it's a good thing for it to be difficult to cross illegally.

I mean, if you mean like having it be difficult, at least as difficult as it is now to cross illegally, I think it's a good thing for it to be difficult to cross illegally.

But again, I think calling it open then or closed now, you're talking about a lot of different overlapping things.

But again, I think calling it open then or closed now, you're talking about a lot of different overlapping things.

I think he thrives on a politics of fear.

I think he thrives on a politics of fear.

I think chaos is good for him.

I think chaos is good for him.

I think he thrives on chaos.

I think he thrives on chaos.

I think when you see images of people getting beaten up or what he used to call American carnage, anything that validates that.