Pete Lunn

So at his most emotional height in that interview, instead of saying, oh, you know, this is what cost me my job, he said, it's what cost Kerry a minister in agriculture.

So he's identified himself with the county, even at that moment, he's such a good populist.

But interesting, I think, in a way, because we know that voters don't like split parties.

But I don't think we've ever seen whether they like split families who are kind of family policy.

I mean, will this damage them in the same way it damages a party when there's a split?

I think it's going to be really interesting to find out, actually.

Once people are writing about you and saying there is a split, there is a feud, there is a rift, and that's in the papers, that's in the media, it's very hard then to rebuild trust.

How did you work that one out?

Yeah, I mean, it's pretty clear that that statistically speaking, the Social Democrats rise is the only thing really that is reliable.

Everything else is within margin of error.

And as you say, it's backed by other polls.

Interesting, too, that Holly Cairns comes out as the leader with the highest approval rating.

So we get some idea that that might be part of it as well.

I mean, we've spoken in the studio before about the softness in that Sinn Féin vote and how it's split between a kind of traditional working class vote that isn't really left wing and a left wing vote and how they're trying to grab young people and take advantage of the housing situation.

And that causes some problems on certain issues like immigration and climate.

They have a less coherent electorate, I think.

And when it comes to trying to form some kind of alliance, that makes life harder for them.

And I think we're seeing that here.

Yeah, I have to confess I have real concerns about the whole dialogue, and this is the reason why.

So I totally accept there are big problems with capacity for dealing with international protection.