Pete Smissen

I'm like, don't you have four-wheel drive?

I mean, I'm sure they do.

There's probably people who do do that.

But by and large, as a cultural thing that is seen and done everywhere by a lot of people, I don't believe that from what I've understood from my students who are Chinese, they're like, no, you don't do that.

No.

You go on holidays, but you don't just have a four-wheel drive car that you've kitted out and just drive from Beijing into the middle of nowhere.

They're like, that is very weird Western, like, behaviour.

But the funniest thing, I've got some Chinese students who- That I was teaching and they were like avid campers.

And I was like, did you guys do this back home?

And that was when they told me, like, fuck no.

Yeah, we came to Australia and we fucking love it.

In Australia.

Yeah.

How much- I wonder if it's a disproportionate number of migrants or foreign people having holidays in Australia who end up taking on the camping culture and doing it than the same number of Australian- quote unquote Australians doing it, right?

Because I think we take it for granted.

It's funny.

And now I don't really camp because we went ballistic as a child.

I felt like when I was a teenager living at home with you in Ocean Grove, you and mum living at the family home, the beach was right that you could see it, you could hear it.

Yes.

And I remember there were times where I hadn't set foot on that beach for over a year because I would just be like, well, it's there.