Peter Hotez

another individual.

And I had a year of cell phone discussions with him, Zooms and emails, and it was very unproductive and it really went nowhere.

But it really helped me understand the anti-vaccine movement.

And I wound up writing another book about that called Vaccines Did Not Cause Rachel's Autism that kind of made me public enemy number one or two with anti-vaccine groups.

But it gave me a front row seat to watch how this whole

This very dark movement evolved, became political, and then converged with the health wellness influencer industry to make money.

Yeah, which is very kind.

The Lancet, by the way, picked that up and wrote an article, a profile of me, and they used that term, which was really nice.

Yeah, I just had a horrible death threat this weekend.

Some guy in Florida says he's going to shoot me in the head.

So, you know, it's no fun waking up to that kind of stuff, I have to tell you.

Well, if I, you know, give a lecture at a different university, you know, I give them a heads up about the need for security and they totally get it.

So, yeah, I mean, it's so, you know, we do get security.

I mean, obviously, it's, you know, it's university security, but they...

And they have varying degrees of capacity for it.

I think the hard part is, you know, it's the incoming is so pervasive because it's coming online, on social media, on threatening emails.

It's in-person stalkings or lectures or on podcasts and everything.

And for what?

As you know, we made a low-cost COVID vaccine that reached 100 million people using an older technology, no patents, no strings attached.

Could have made money but didn't and reached 100 million people at $2 to $4 a dose, showing that we can bypass the big pharma companies and make parasitic disease vaccines.